rbz, r11 or r11s

hi all

ok they not mizuno so probably not the best place to ask but.....
which one does people prefer?

its about time i upgraded my titleist 909 (sorry again its not mizzy) and looking at one of these as heard there really good and im not overly fond of the mizuno 650! (my 650 hybrid might get the boot also as i seem to cut it all the time, which i dont do with my driver or irons)

All depends on what you are looking for. The R11 and R11s can be set up to become draw bias so they would be best if you are fighting a slice. Both the RBZ and the R11s come with +/- 1.5o of adjustable loft as apposed to the +/- 1o on the R11. You can get a brand new R11s for less than £200 right now so I would suggest one of them.

I've tried them and to me the RBZ was the best. The R11 and R11s were more tinny sounding and I'm still not convinced that the sole plate does anything really beneficial. 

(There follows a little rant which you might want to skip.....

As far as I can see - all adjustable drivers work in the same way - the shaft is installed into the adapter at a slight angle. You can open the face or close the face relative to the straight shaft. When the club is squared at impact this changes the loft down or up respectively. Taylormade still use the same principle for the connector they did in the R9, but rather than saying left and right it now has more or less loft, as they see the changing of loft as better selling point than changing of face angle. The face angle still changes so they add this sole plate so they can claim the face angle doesn't change when you change loft.... but it does)

The RBZ has a simpler adjustment system and just feels nicer off the face. Then you can chose the (more forgiving) normal head or the (less spinning) tour head.

Oh yeah nearly forgot.....

"Go try them out and get the one you like the best"

To be honest Big Pete, non of these will compete with adjustability of the Titleist surefit system, Ping and taylor made, iv tried all these over the last couple of years,except the G25,all ok for tinkering, but for ease of use, consistancy. and straightness the JPX 825 wins hands down, havnt tried the G25 yet, but i cant see the benefit of losing money on the JPX to spend more on the G25 is going to be beneficial.
To be perfectly honest the adjustability thing??...does it make a lot of difference ?, maybe the Titlesit surefit does, but once youve found your setting there shouldnt be any need to change, so correct me if i'm wrong if you get the correct fitting on a glued hosel driver that should be it, okay the Ping only offers 1/2 a degree either way, which is basically for the fitter to get you correctly dialled in.
All this tinkering?????....just get fit for the correct shaft and the head is then down to personal choice....

just my 2 penneth worth....lol

Naths wrote:

To be honest Big Pete, non of these will compete with adjustability of the Titleist surefit system, Ping and taylor made, iv tried all these over the last couple of years,except the G25,all ok for tinkering, but for ease of use, consistancy. and straightness the JPX 825 wins hands down, havnt tried the G25 yet, but i cant see the benefit of losing money on the JPX to spend more on the G25 is going to be beneficial.
To be perfectly honest the adjustability thing??...does it make a lot of difference ?, maybe the Titlesit surefit does, but once youve found your setting there shouldnt be any need to change, so correct me if i'm wrong if you get the correct fitting on a glued hosel driver that should be it, okay the Ping only offers 1/2 a degree either way, which is basically for the fitter to get you correctly dialled in.
All this tinkering?????....just get fit for the correct shaft and the head is then down to personal choice....

just my 2 penneth worth....lol

+1 to all of that!

My point was the R11 etc have too much redundant tech going on and this effects the feel IMO, The simpler RBZ just performs better. 

I don't want to get into the adjustability vs no adjustability debate again. The fact is nearly every driver on the market is adjustable nowadays, 

Out of the drivers offered up by the OP, I preferred the RBZ

Ditto.

When I was searching for a new driver, I went thru a very thourough fitting process. I was fit for drivers from most of the OEM's, by their respective reps. This included: Cleveland, Callaway, Mizuno, Nike, Ping, Titleist, Taylormade, and Cobra. The TM fitter provided both, a R11s, and a RBZ. FOR ME, the best fit and the most performance, For ME, out of them all was the R11s. I would suggest FOR YOU, to try as many head and shaft combos you can to find the best fit FOR YOU.

I have a Mizuno MP650 and it has a huge range of adjustability!  I can decrease loft, increase loft, close the face and open the face...

Simples!  Just turn the club round ever so slightly in your grip, and Hey Presto!!

BigPete wrote:

My point was the R11 etc have too much redundant tech going on and this effects the feel IMO, The simpler RBZ just performs better. 

I don't want to get into the adjustability vs no adjustability debate again. The fact is nearly every driver on the market is adjustable nowadays, 

Out of the drivers offered up by the OP, I preferred the RBZ

Out of those 2, i did try the non-tour version (glued hosel) and it wasnt to bad, didnt try the Tour version (adjustable hosel), i tried these against the 910D2 i had at the time, Titleist hands down!!, the 910s can be had at very good prices at the moment due to the 913, and to be honest not much difference between the 2....