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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:23 am

Posted by BigPete


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It really shouldn't be this complicated right?

Just hit the thing.... :)


Yeh but the ball is supposed to go long and straight, not curving sharply right into the crap ;)


How dare you!! My shots only curve sharply LEFT into the crap

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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:32 am

Posted by Villiers1


BigPete wrote:

Villiers1 wrote:

BigPete wrote:

It really shouldn't be this complicated right?

Just hit the thing.... :)


Yeh but the ball is supposed to go long and straight, not curving sharply right into the crap ;)


How dare you!! My shots only curve sharply LEFT into the crap


Lol. Sorry Pete. That's OK then. It's usually a different type of crap on the left ;)
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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:04 am

Posted by Villiers1


ImageIf the towel stays in place, your hands, arms and shoulders are moving together.
2. TAKEAWAYTURN EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHERWhen I ask amateurs to show me how they start back, most will move the club away with only their hands and arms. What I want to see is the hands and arms moving in sequence with the rotation of the upper torso. All three should move together as one unit until the left arm gets parallel to the ground--at that point the swing's momentum will keep the hands and arms on plane. This first part of the swing is crucial to staying in sync. Ingrain this feeling of everything moving together by stretching a towel across your chest with the ends under your armpits.

Read More http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2011-04/sean-foley-make-me-better#ixzz2hVNjsEon
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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:23 am

Posted by BigPete


Hard to argue with this really - most of it is pretty solid (Hogan based) fundamentals 



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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:26 am

Posted by Villiers1


Nice simple easy to understand vid that Pete. That also backs up my argument that the swing definitely does not start with the hands. 
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Re: Should your arms hang down vertically at address?

Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:39 am

Posted by MPB


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That also backs up my argument that the swing definitely does not start with the hands.


Hogan's fundamentals Part 3...

"...ON THE BACKSWING, THE ORDER OF MOVEMENT GOES LIKE THIS: HANDS, ARMS, SHOULDERS, HIPS. On the backswing, the hands, arms, and shoulders start to move almost simultaneously. ACTUALLY, THE HANDS START THE CLUBHEAD BACK A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE ARMS START BACK. AND THE ARMS BEGIN THEIR MOVEMENT A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE SHOULDERS BEGIN TO TURN."

Note the use of the word split second. In a golf swing that takes about 1.5 seconds the hands and arm will only travel about 6-12 inches before the shoulders get properly involved in the swing (as opposed to being involved at the start of the swing as a consequence of being attached to the arms!)

This Justin Rose drill video is a super example of Hogan's teachings about the sequence of "HAND, ARM, SHOULDERS, HIPS."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LZo2ts4C-o

Try it at home - control the hands and arms 6-12" back towards the second ball and then let the shoulders and hips take the left hand, arm and club to the top once the ball has been swept away. Notice the natural arc back, up and around to the top. Now speed this sequence up to normal and it appears that everything is working at once, or as Hogan states, "The main point for the novice is to know that they do start back so closely together that their action is unified......"

Notice also how Rose sweeps his ball away slightly to the inside in the view 'down the line'; it's hit perfectly on a natural arc and not hit straight back or overly to the inside.

Big Pete, sorry to hear of your swing problems on the 'Do you love Golf' thread. Revisiting Hogan's sequence with Justin's tip will at least help to get your swing started in the correct sequence and on the correct arc (plane).
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